The Modesty Panel: A Word Vomit Post of Thoughts

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As y’all may have noticed, this week the Bosom Bloggers have been all about The Modesty Panel. I didn’t originally intend on participating because I didn’t feel like I had that much to say. I still don’t think I have that much to say, especially that hasn’t been said already by the other awesome bloggers involved (listed below), but I thought I’d make a quick bullet list of the thoughts I’ve been having while reading over everyone’s posts and giving thought to the subject.

1. Why is the word modest when used towards men almost never about their clothing, but for women it almost always is? When a man is being modest, it means that he’s humble about his accomplishments. When a woman is modest, she’s humble about… her… body? Is a woman’s body an accomplishment? I suppose sometimes it is, if a woman has worked hard to achieve her “dream body”, but in my case I know for sure that I could  never think of my body as an “accomplishment” haha. I’ve done nothing to “earn”  my body.

2. Why is it that, although I dress preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty immodestly (it’s not immodest to me, but to others it would be), I’ve never been talked about or given looks like the other women who have written posts have described? Is it because of the high humidity and heat of the Deep South? Is it because I am fairly slim, so I’m not “offending anyone”? Maybe it’s because I sort of “own it” and would be the first to describe the way I dress as “a little slutty”. Am I just oblivious do it? I kind of think it’s the last one haha. Even though I dress quite revealingly, I never seem to get “she’s dressed so slutty”, I just get “wow her boobs are huge”. Which still isn’t an appropriate comment to make, but it never feels judgmental as much as surprised or flabbergasted at my breast size.

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The prom dress that earned a million and a half boob comments.

3. Now that I’ve said that, I guess that actually I have had other people insinuate I’m being immodest… it’s just that it’s always been friends so I haven’t noticed that much, or really been offended. But, I now remember, in high school my best friend (who’s a “32A”, I measured her to be closer to be a shallow 28D/DD/E, but she’s not unhappy so I don’t push it on her) would always say to me, “If I’m a straight girl and I’m getting distracted by your boobs, your shirt is too low cut.” I was never offended, and thought it was kind of funny. But I guess that is sort of her way of saying I was being immodest. Or I have another friend who’s a “32C” who constantly points out my visible bra… yeah, sorry, my bra is almost always going to be visible, especially on the sides. That’s just how it works. I’m not upset about it, so you shouldn’t be either. But she always approached it like she was telling me my fly was down or something. Like it was something I should be embarrassed about. Newsflash: everyone already knows I’m wearing a bra, whether it’s visible or not.

The only time I’ve had someone talk about my clothing in a way that actually felt judgmental is when I was talking about dressing a curvy figure with a group of girls. One of them has a figure that’s very similar to mine, but she dresses in baggy t-shirts and jeans all the time, and as a result “looks like a potato” (her words, not mine!!). She’s always complimented my figure, but I always point out that really she has the same figure, she just doesn’t dress to show it off like I do. On this occasion, she was showing the girls a rather short, rather low cut, tight fitting dress she had (AND LOOKED AMAZING IN), and I was saying that if she wanted to show off her figure she should just dress like that all the time. The other girls all disagreed, saying that it wasn’t appropriate for something like going to class, but I said I would totally wear it to class, and just throw a cardigan over it, following it up with “I guess I do dress a little slutty though” in a joking manner. But a religious girl in the group immediately fired back, “Yeah, you kinda do.” I have to admit, I was a little offended. It’s sort of like how it’s okay for you to fight with your siblings and call them names, but if someone else did you’d be really upset? I don’t know. But that’s the only time I’ve ever felt really judged, even if I maybe invited the criticism with my “joke”.

4. Whooooaaaaa never mind again. How am I blocking all of this stuff out?! I just remembered another time that I got judged for being “immodest”. I worked at Chick-fil-A for a long time, 3.5-4 years, and at one point was in line to get promoted to Team Leader. I had a meeting with a manager before the promotion was final so that she could give suggestions on things I could approve (that all the managers had discussed in a prior meeting), and one of them was the way I dressed off the clock!! I’d regularly come in to pick up my check in a tank top and shorts, and she suggested that I start keeping a t-shirt in the car to put on over my tank top to cover up more. So it wasn’t even a matter of not being dressed professionally, it was a matter of too much skin! A t-shirt is not exactly professional attire either, and this was just a fast food job. And customers couldn’t even see me when I came in the back door to go straight to the office to pick up my check… Yuck, how did I forget that incident? The idea of all the managers sitting in a circle, talking about how revealingly I dressed (and most of them were men, there was only one woman manager at the time) really skeeved me out.

5. Why is modesty connected to self respect? Why do I have to cover up my body to respect it? Maybe I respect its need to not be covered in fabric when it’s 100+ degrees and 90% humidity outside. So don’t complain about my tank top and shorts, thank you very much.

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Standard summer outfit, believe it or not is for comfort. Excuse the hair, I was NOT kidding about the super high humidity 😛

6. Why do people always act like girls who dress immodestly are doing it for male attention (which is a very heteronormative view, regardless of how wrong it is on other levels)? Seriously. Even if I’m going someplace where there are only going to be my close guy friends that I’ve known since middle school, I’ll probably be wearing a short skirt and v-neck top. Or in my apartment, where I’m dressed to impress literally no one but myself, do you know what I wear? Underwear! Literally just my underwear haha, not even a bra unless it starts to get uncomfortable without one. At all girls sleepovers, I wear short pajama shorts and a tank top. The way I dress is not to get the attention of sexual partners.

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Literally at an all girls sleepover.

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Literally at my grandparent’s house with only family around. GASP! VISIBLE BRA AND SHORTS!

Basically, the way I feel about modesty is: my body is not open to suggestions, and that includes what I put on it. People are always going to have their own personal ideas of how others should dress, act, etc., and I know I make snap judgments about people all the time. But I don’t let them control how I treat anyone, and I definitely do not vocalize them unless the person in question asks my opinion. Also this post came out really long, seems like I had more to say than I thought I did!

Seriously, I do. not. care. what you think about what I’m wearing. I mean, my profile picture on Facebook is me in a bikini. Even the cartoon version of me I dressed in a low-cute, tight dress. So judge me all you want, but keep it to yourself!

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Actual profile picture in which I do not give a fuck who sees me in even less coverage than my underwear.

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Cartoon Robin: heavy on the make up, light on the clothing 😉 haha

 Other bloggers who have written better thought out, less stream-of-conscious-no-point posts for the Modesty Panel (linked ones are already written):

Bras and Body Image

Boosaurus

Braless in Brazil

By Baby’s Rules

Contrary Kiwi

Hourglassy (they have a few other posts as well, not sure how to title them all as links here though!)

Miss Underpinnings

Red Hair and Girly Flair

Sophia Jenner

A Sophisticated Pair

That Bra Does Not Fit Her

The Tit Rambler

Fussy Busty – Nicole

Fussy Busty – Amy

Undiegamer

Weirdly Shaped and Well Photographed

My Bra Confessions

Okay guys, y’all know there are certain bra rules that you’re supposed to follow… and as a major bra enthusiast, I should follow them. Buuuuut I don’t. And here is where I confess all my bra sins.

It’s another video blog, mostly because I’m in school and have exams coming up, and it is WAY faster to make a vlog than to write out a post, find pictures, edit the post, etc. Also I like hearing what my voice sounds like, because that’s not what it sounds like in my head at all 😛

Some Thoughts On Reversed Letterphobia and Wide Wires

I’m sure many of you have read this blog post before, since it’s been around for a while. This is something that I’ve been thinking of for the past few days, prompted by me ordering a new Ewa Michalak PL bra in a 28K. I try not to have letterphobia, and just buy what fits, and according to my experience with the PL Lilia, a 28K should either fit, or be slightly too large. Either way it shouldn’t be far off the mark. But every time I go up a cup size, I worry, am I falling victim to reversed letterphobia?

In case you were too lazy to click the link above to the fantastic blog post by Drueber und Drunter, reversed letterphobia is when women, frightened of wearing too large a band and not getting proper support, begin to wear bands that are too tight with cups that are too large.

This phenomenon was first pointed out to me by a comment on my early review for the Curvy Kate Emily. The woman pointed out that the wires were being bent too far back and being distorted, which was causing my problems with the shape in the front. I’d noticed this before too, as I’d tried on a 30H Romance in Breakout Bras whose cup shape I was much happier with, but the band was much too large. Even on the tightest hook, it rode up in the back and had to be adjusted after just a few minutes.

So today what I’m thinking about is this: How many women wearing small bands are actually falling victim to reversed letterphobia, and how many are just suffering from bras with wide wires? Are there women out there who are having problems with cup distortion even in brands with narrow wires? Because I have never seen such a case!

Writing out this short post while constantly adjusting the band on this 30H bra has calmed my mind, at least when it comes to wondering if I’m falling victim to reversed letterphobia.

But now I really have to wonder, how many women wear a 28 or 30 band and fit well into the wires of, say, the Panache Tango II balconette bra?  From Bratabase, a 30JJ Tango II has wires that are 8.5″ wide, and a band that stretches to 30″. This means that, if these wires fit well, the root of this woman’s breasts take up over half of her torso, assuming she measures 30″ around. I know that there are women who need wide wires, but how many? I feel like I see almost all women struggling to find narrower wires! Women love Ewa Michalak for this reason! Looking at the reviews for this bra on Bratabase, the only time people complained about the wires on the Tango II being too narrow was when the cup was too small all around.

I guess what I’m trying to say, in this long winded post, is why is it that wide wires are the norm, and not the exception? I know that it’s hard to find wires narrow enough, but do any of my readers struggle with finding wires that are wide enough for their shape?

Oh, and one more thing, that I’ll probably address more in a future post, but this is where using the same underwire for sister sizes doesn’t make sense to me. Why in the world would a 28J woman need the same width of wires as a 40F woman? Can anyone enlighten me? Am I just filled with bra naivety?

Halloween With Curves

Halloween is coming up soon, and for me the celebrations will be beginning less than a week from now, so you can imagine how stressed I was that (until yesterday) I didn’t have a costume!

I’d been looking around online for costumes for a long time, but when you are curvy, it’s just impossible to know which costumes will be… too much, if you will, in person. And then, when you find one that looks like it would be appropriate for the general public, how can you tell what size to order? Should you order the small/medium to fit the waist? Or the large/extra large for the boobs and butt? Unfortunately, these dilemmas led me to a much more expensive Halloween store to try on a million and one costumes. Here are the main problems I ran into:

1. Skirts that are just too short

I know, these are “sexy” costumes I’m trying on, of course they’re going to be revealing, etc. etc. But when you’ve got some junk in the trunk, things that would be skanky-cute on another girl on Halloween becomes skanky-stripper on you.

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You can’t tell that much from the angle, but my butt is literally 1 finger width away from greeting the world. This is an otherwise cute costume that a curvy girl just can’t wear in public 😦

2. But… Where is my bra supposed to go?

This is probably my MOST RUN INTO PROBLEM and it really limits what I can wear on Halloween. So many costumes are adorable, but just are not practical when you have breasts that need supporting, such as these:

And I don’t have a strapless bra (very few options for a 28J), so pretty much anything strapless is out. The only costume I found that I could go bra-free in was the same devil costume whose skirt is pictured above.

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The key to this costume is that the top is a “corset” (aka cheap plastic boning is in the bodice). It does an alright job of keeping the girls up, but I can’t help but think about how worried I’d be all night about keeping them in place, and the weight that my neck would be forced to carry from the tie halter top. The even worse part of this top though, is a problem that deserves a section of this post all to itself…

3. Too big in the waist!

Curvy women everywhere know how hard it is to find something that fits in both the boobs/butt and the waist too. This is hard enough in regular clothes, but somehow in costumes this problem is even more exaggerated. It’s hard to tell in the picture above, but the corset for that devil costume is about 2″-3″ too large everywhere below my boobs. It’s not even sitting on the skin. And yet my boobs are threatening to make a break for it. Here’s another great example of this problem:

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Here the waist fits well enough, just slightly large, but as you can see, that button is getting read to pull right off. Very frustrating.

4. DROP WAIST COSTUMES

Maybe this is just me… but I think my curvy figure looks kind of awful in drop waist clothing. This isn’t something I usually have to deal with, but SO MANY costumes are drop waisted!.

I just find the drop waist increases the chances of the waist not being fitted enough, and since usually the “waist” hits right at my hips, it emphasizes the widest part of me. I like when my hips are emphasized… but only if my small waist is being emphasized too!

So those are the main problems that I ran into Halloween shopping… Have you had any similar issues? Am I wrong about drop waists?

The Pros And Cons Of Breasts

I’ll try to keep this as short as possible, since it’s going to be a bit of a rant, and probably not going to be all that interesting for y’all. But this is something that’s been taking up a lot of my mind this past week, and what better place to get my boob thoughts off my chest (pun completely and totally intended) than on my boob-related blog?

Lately I’ve been having an all out love-hate BATTLE with my breasts. I just can’t seem to reach a happy place with them. Out of a bra, they look weirdly small. In one they look gigantic and disproportionate. In clothes they appear smaller again, but at the same time make my body look 2 sizes bigger.

That’s just one issue I’ve been having. But I’ve been dealing with it, because I can tell that’s almost entirely in my head.

My second issue is trying to decide how I feel about the attention I receive when I put the girls on display. Some days I’m proud of my boobs! I think they look awesome. I like cleavage (both on other people and on me!). So, when I get dressed in the morning, I play up the assets I like best, and some days, that means showing off the boobs. Lately, showing some cleavage has been getting more reaction than usual, such as male classmates  (in the engineering world, male classmates = all classmates) buying me drinks from the soda machine, walking me to my next class, offering to help with homework… None of these boys even talk to me on days that I’m wearing a t-shirt. Girls, on the other hand, are decidedly friendlier when I’m dressed more conservatively.

My only class this semester that’s NOT male dominated, where maybe I actually could get away from feeling like boobs on a stick, is yoga. This has been a great class for most of the semester, but some of the poses feel IMPOSSIBLE with large breasts.

Okay, imagine trying to do this with 28Js…

It’s not very pleasant! My one class where I could get away from all this boob attention and just exercise and relax and even here they’re on my mind (or face, in this particular pose).

It seems like lately even using my laptop to write about disliking my boobs has led to me disliking my boobs…

Ok, but I titled this post the PROS and Cons of Breasts… so how about we discuss some pros!

1. Kitten shelf. ‘Nuff said.

DISCLAIMER: I do not buy bras from VS. But their tank tops are very comfy and well fitting 🙂

2. Despite what my mind may think… my boobs actually make my body look better and more proportionate, not like boobs on a stick. With 40 inch hips, a small bust could make my entire upper body (since I have a small ribcage too) look a bit out of place.

3. There are clothes that smaller chested girls don’t fill out, that I can look great in. Large breasts help emphasize a small waist, especially with a belt 🙂

4. Even though the boy’s motives may have been questionable… I’m going to count free Diet Cokes from the vending machine as a boob pro.

5. Tons of cute bras actually DO exist in my size, and are cheap to buy if you know where to go.

6. They’re my very own conversation starter when it comes to helping other women find their correct bra size.

7. My boyfriend loves them 🙂

8. It’s comforting to put my head down and give them a cuddle sometimes (is that weird? I can’t be the only one who cuddles my own breasts…)

9. Convenient buffer between me and people who try to get into my personal space.

10. They’re mine and I wouldn’t feel quite like me without them.

Phew! *Wipes sweat from brow* I came into this post filled with negative thoughts of my breasts and my body, and writing it all out has made me feel much better! I’m sure the “cons” section at the beginning didn’t do anyone else a lick of good… but hopefully my list of pros has made some of y’all think about what you love about your breasts. Anything I missed? 🙂

Resources on the Problems of Being Busty:

1. I’m very active in this online community… /r/bigboobproblems on Reddit! Very supportive women, always willing to give advice and commiserate!

2. Busty Girl Comics– daily webcomic featuring the problems and perks of large breasts!